Dwen Curry: From Trap Queen to Triumph
Dr. Stance chats with the fabulous Dwen Curry, a true trailblazer in the world of reality TV and a vibrant personality known for her unapologetic authenticity. This episode dives deep into Dwen's inspiring journey from struggles with addiction to becoming a celebrated figure on BET’s "Trap Queens." We dig into the nitty-gritty of her life experiences, including her time in prison and how she found strength in vulnerability. Dwen shares her thoughts on identity, the importance of living one’s truth, and what it really means to be a "baddie" in today’s world. Get ready for a lively conversation filled with laughter, wisdom, and the kind of real talk that’ll leave you feeling empowered and entertained!
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Speaker B:What's up?
Speaker B:What's up, y'?
Speaker B:All?
Speaker B:It's Dr. Stance, of course.
Speaker B:The one and only.
Speaker B:With turning your husband to a legacy, I have the beautiful.
Speaker B:You know, I'm hecka animated.
Speaker B:I'll be so animated.
Speaker B:And we might have had a few little throwbacks.
Speaker B:So, you know, I got Ms. Dwin here, the original trap queen from BET.
Speaker B:Ms. Beautiful, how are you?
Speaker A:I am Gigi, the original gay gangster.
Speaker A:That would be me.
Speaker A:Hello.
Speaker A:My niece.
Speaker A:Happy super bowl weekend, Kiri.
Speaker B:We lit all this weekend.
Speaker B:TT already said I'm with her, so don't be mad.
Speaker B:But, you know, I had to come find you.
Speaker B:I had to Lollipop shout out to Lollipop connected us.
Speaker A:I love her.
Speaker B:Love me some lollipop.
Speaker A:Love lollipop.
Speaker A:I call her V Bay, period.
Speaker A:That's my girl, period.
Speaker B:Everything super sweet.
Speaker A:Super sweet.
Speaker B:Look, our interview was amazing.
Speaker B:So when she told me, no, you gotta get with jj, she it.
Speaker B:I said, what was her number?
Speaker B:Looked you up.
Speaker B:Immediately, I tapped in.
Speaker B:And y', all, let me tell you something.
Speaker B:Ms. Gigi is everything.
Speaker B:I think we was on the phone for what, an hour and a half on our first conversation?
Speaker B:We just was chopping it up videoing.
Speaker B:And I was like.
Speaker B:I said, let me tell you something, lady.
Speaker B:You stuck with me for life.
Speaker A:But it was organic.
Speaker B:Extremely.
Speaker A:It is organic.
Speaker B:Extremely.
Speaker A:Like, you know, I don't even.
Speaker A:You know, a lot of times if I sit up there and I deal with certain peplicas and managers from a different standpoint that what I look at, then, you know, find out what the questions are.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:I don't like to go in knowing exactly what I'm being asked.
Speaker B:It makes you nervous.
Speaker A:No, it doesn't make me nervous.
Speaker A:It just makes it seem rehearsed.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:And so correct.
Speaker A:This is not no rehearsal.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:You know, this is real life.
Speaker A:So what you see is what you get.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And I'm not getting ready to sit up there and perpetrate or pretend, you know, to turn around and be feeling as though I'm accosted by other people from not telling the truth.
Speaker A:What you see is what you get.
Speaker B:And that's why I had to have you.
Speaker B:Because, one, you live in your truth.
Speaker B:You are a beautiful trans woman.
Speaker B:Two, let me tell y' all something.
Speaker B:I have Miss Shout.
Speaker B:I shout out Angel Fox on every podcast.
Speaker A:I'm proud of you, Angel.
Speaker A:Wait, let's be real clear.
Speaker A:I want to be real clear with the gender thing.
Speaker A:I am what makes me trans.
Speaker A:You know, it's different levels to this Shit, talk to the people.
Speaker A:I'm old school.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:I'm old school.
Speaker A:So what makes me trans is the fact that I deal with a hormone regiment.
Speaker B:Explain that.
Speaker B:What you mean, Titi?
Speaker A:Well, the hormone regimen, the spiral lactone, it breaks down.
Speaker A:Well, the spiral lactone, it slows down the hair in your face.
Speaker A:It softens you.
Speaker B:Is it a pill or something you take?
Speaker B:Or is
Speaker A:could be a pill or it could be a shot.
Speaker A:Mine happens to be a pill.
Speaker B:Gotcha.
Speaker A:When it comes down to the estrogen, that's a shot, you know?
Speaker A:And so the estrogen does not give you that roughness of a man.
Speaker A:It gives you the softness.
Speaker A:You know, where the booty might feel like, jello is cute, you know, you look in the face, and when you wake up, bitch, it's like.
Speaker A:It's like do in the morning.
Speaker A:It's like, damn, bitch, for real.
Speaker A:And it's almost like Beyonce.
Speaker A:When Beyonce say, I woke up like
Speaker B:this, tell them, T.T.
Speaker B:i mean, I was just gonna say she cute, okay?
Speaker B:In real life, people need to know.
Speaker B:But I did have to say, nah,
Speaker A:I wasn't that damn cute.
Speaker A:If y' all would have seen my girl.
Speaker A:If y' all would have seen me when I was locked up.
Speaker A:If y' all could pull up that mug shot, we all got one bitch.
Speaker A:I was looking like Miss Celie Blues, so.
Speaker B:So a QC Lee.
Speaker B:It's a QC Lee.
Speaker B:Cause I was looking bad on my mugshot, too.
Speaker B:But listen, what I fell in love with you for is because, like I said, shout out to Angel Fox, you knew one of my foster youth.
Speaker B:And I think that when we called her on three Way, I fell in love with you immediately.
Speaker B:Because you got to understand what when people see you on Just so y' all know, she was on BET Trap Queen American Gates.
Speaker B:And when people see you, they may see you're not reachable, right?
Speaker B:They may see that or feel like because you have that status that they can't call you on the phone.
Speaker B:So when my foster.
Speaker B:You told me that she already knew who you was and was there, I said, ooh, this lady special.
Speaker B:That was special.
Speaker A:That's funny to me.
Speaker A:Like I said, I specifically came up this weekend to do your interview.
Speaker A:I had no idea that I was bumping into, like, super bowl anything like I was saying.
Speaker A:You guys, I don't even know what teams are playing.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker B:I didn't know you was gonna tell.
Speaker B:We're supposed to pretend TT we know who playing?
Speaker B:She lied.
Speaker B:Percy, who playing?
Speaker B:Percy.
Speaker B:Who's playing right now.
Speaker B:Who's playing?
Speaker A:Patriots and Seahawks or something.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Period.
Speaker B:You knew.
Speaker A:No, that's only because I met one of the CEOs.
Speaker B:Yeah, we know.
Speaker B:We know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:That's the only reason.
Speaker A:Only reason why I remember is Seahawks is because I met the boss, period.
Speaker A:So let's not play with it.
Speaker A:Let's not play with it at all.
Speaker B:That's what we got Percy for.
Speaker B:Percy know who playing.
Speaker B:I thought super bowl was basketball.
Speaker A:They don't want no problems with Percy.
Speaker A:Percy done already had a day, so he's trying to.
Speaker B:You know, he laughing back there.
Speaker B:I wish y' all could see him.
Speaker A:Cause he acting like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:He's too cute.
Speaker A:Adorable.
Speaker B:He's not well, y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:I gotta put that.
Speaker A:He is adorable.
Speaker B:We gonna blow Percy up after this.
Speaker A:I love.
Speaker B:Ain't he Percy?
Speaker A:I love him.
Speaker B:But talk to me.
Speaker B:Let's talk about this trap queen.
Speaker B:Bet.
Speaker B:What was that like, first of all, go way back, back to when you got in trouble.
Speaker B:What happened?
Speaker B:Like, for the people that may not have heard your story, what happened?
Speaker B:Why are you considered a trap queen?
Speaker A:Okay, so initially, you know what we'll do?
Speaker A:We'll go back, you know, we have to go back in time.
Speaker A:When initially I wasn't in Detroit.
Speaker B:That's where she from.
Speaker A:When I left in Detroit, you know, and I was just, you know, I felt as though I was very privileged.
Speaker A:And to a certain extent, you know, my.
Speaker A:Grandparents, you know, one worked for General Motors, the other one worked for Hudson's.
Speaker A:So I didn't feel any sort of poverty.
Speaker A:And my grandfather died first.
Speaker A:And then my grandmother, she ended up passing away.
Speaker A:And that particular time, my mom had two kids.
Speaker A:You know, Magnificent and Cleopatra, which are the lights of my life.
Speaker A:That's their names.
Speaker B:I believe it.
Speaker B:That's why I'm laughing.
Speaker A:They names.
Speaker B:I believe it.
Speaker A:Like, period.
Speaker A:When I tell you they stand tall, period.
Speaker A:To this day, in regards to my sister being a Cleopatra and my little brother, my man.
Speaker A:That's what I call him.
Speaker A:Man.
Speaker A:Being the man that he is.
Speaker A:He is magnificent.
Speaker A:You know, I never felt poverty.
Speaker A:Just growing up in the struggle, I didn't feel it.
Speaker B:That's a blessing.
Speaker B:Because I did.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:That's a blessing.
Speaker B:Especially Detroit.
Speaker B:Detroit is rough.
Speaker B:Detroit is rough, right?
Speaker B:It's kind of like a mini Oakland, I heard.
Speaker A:That's what I mean.
Speaker A:I had fun.
Speaker A:Cause all my cousins that I grew up with, they basically lived on the block.
Speaker A:So they had the biggest drug dealers So I was with all my cousins, and so nobody really.
Speaker A:I never had, like, that bullying.
Speaker A:Only bullying I had was.
Speaker A:Is when I was young in school.
Speaker A:And I had to pop that nigga over the head with that skate.
Speaker A:That's the only thing that bitch got it.
Speaker A:I was sick of him.
Speaker A:Do you know, Let me tell you what was so terrible about this.
Speaker A:This is terrible.
Speaker B:Wait, I'm not.
Speaker A:Cause I know you gonna be mad about this.
Speaker B:I gotta sit up and fix this red bottom.
Speaker B:Go ahead, Titi.
Speaker B:Cause I got to hear this.
Speaker B:We had a couple more pins and twos here.
Speaker A:I used to be so sick of this bully on the block.
Speaker B:Dang.
Speaker A:And one of my friends, Carrie.
Speaker A:I never forget Carrie.
Speaker A:His sister.
Speaker A:I forget who she worked for or whatever.
Speaker A:She had a very prestigious job.
Speaker A:But you know how all the kids get on the block and they cool and we congregate, that type of thing.
Speaker A:But you got that one bully on the block where he would just terrorize everybody.
Speaker A:It was terrible.
Speaker B:Until he met Titi.
Speaker A:So no way he ended up with Carrie.
Speaker A:So when he ended up with Carrie, he had did something.
Speaker A:He told Carrie, open his mouth.
Speaker A:He said, open your mouth real wide.
Speaker A:And that's what he did.
Speaker A:Just as you gasped back, he pulled back up.
Speaker B:Did you hear?
Speaker A:And flew it.
Speaker B:Not the loogie.
Speaker B:I cannot.
Speaker A:So I had to hit that bitch with a skate.
Speaker A:Cause I'm like.
Speaker A:I ain't none of that going.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:I go to Northland Skating Rink every week.
Speaker A:Look, my nose brain done flew out, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:I don't know where it went, but.
Speaker B:Oh, keep that.
Speaker B:We gotta keep all that.
Speaker B:TT That's.
Speaker A:That's everything you just said.
Speaker B:We authentic now.
Speaker A:Yeah, get her a nice shot.
Speaker A:The nose.
Speaker A:No miss.
Speaker A:You be doing too much, T.T.
Speaker B:you know you going in the shot, too.
Speaker B:Percy.
Speaker B:Keep all of this live.
Speaker B:And her booty.
Speaker B:We showing all of this.
Speaker B:You in the thing.
Speaker B:Say hi to the people.
Speaker B:Hi, people.
Speaker B:Matter of fact, guess what?
Speaker B:This is my new stylist.
Speaker B:She will be doing my.
Speaker A:Welcome.
Speaker B:Terrell.
Speaker B:This is my new stylist who will be doing my hair and fixing on set with me and the trap queen.
Speaker B:One and only, period.
Speaker A:Oh, she a trap queen, too?
Speaker B:So she got her story coming, too.
Speaker A:Yeah, she'll tell her own.
Speaker B:Don't tell it, TT she gonna tell her own.
Speaker B:But wait, TT you never told me the people gonna be confused.
Speaker B:Cause we done went from whooping them with the steak to spitting the loogie and opening their mouth.
Speaker A:It's something to cover, right?
Speaker B:Well, start from the beginning.
Speaker B:How did you become a trap queen?
Speaker B:How did you get on bet?
Speaker B:Like, what happened when you went to.
Speaker B:Cause you went to jail, right?
Speaker B:Well, not jail, prison.
Speaker A:Did you go to prison or jail?
Speaker A:So this is what happened.
Speaker A:When I was in Detroit, I ended up having a really, really bad drug problem.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:I was addicted to crack.
Speaker B:No way.
Speaker A:Mtt Although I did not know that.
Speaker A:And the crazy thing about it, all of my cousins, they were all female and they dealt with the major drug dealers.
Speaker A:I never got drugs from them or anything like that.
Speaker A:They would always take care of me.
Speaker A:But we turned around and I got caught up, you know, from a friend bringing something back.
Speaker A:Now, I never smoked the pipe.
Speaker B:Wait a minute.
Speaker B:How you do crack TT Cause I don't know.
Speaker A:Well, you could smoke it out of a pipe.
Speaker B:I know that one.
Speaker A:Or you could sit up there and you could crush it up.
Speaker B:Like, put it up in your nose.
Speaker A:Crush ours up?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Oh, which way did you do?
Speaker A:I wasn't putting the.
Speaker A:See, one thing I did.
Speaker A:Okay, we gonna get to that.
Speaker A:Because I don't wanna get off track with that, because all that nose and.
Speaker A:Okay, so.
Speaker B:Well, I'm curious though.
Speaker B:How do you do the crack?
Speaker B:If it ain't.
Speaker A:We rolled it up and we called them 51s.
Speaker B:Oh, see the baby?
Speaker A:So we would take a 50 Rock and Grimmys.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And 50 in Detroit, we called them 50 ones.
Speaker B:Got you.
Speaker A:And that's how I got addicted.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:So it was so bad, you know, that when I would sit up there and I would be fema, Fena, and I needed more dope.
Speaker A:I didn't have any more money.
Speaker A:So whatever it was that I found to be sellable, if it wasn't nailed down, it's gotta go.
Speaker B:Oh, hopefully.
Speaker A:And it went.
Speaker A:Oh, all the scatter suits my mother had.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Everything.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, so it was bad.
Speaker A:That's how I ended up getting to California.
Speaker A:Once I got to California, you know, I ended up getting clean, facing a lot of my demons, you know, which is basically taking accountability for what I had done.
Speaker A:I formed a great deal of new clarity that I don't think I would have ever expounded upon had I not been clear.
Speaker B:What helped you get clean?
Speaker B:How did you quit?
Speaker B:Cause that's a hard drug.
Speaker B:Titi.
Speaker A:Uncle Liam, when you look on Trap Queens and when you look at the biopic, like, he really saved my life, you know, it was really, really.
Speaker A:It was just so systematic and organic in how he was with me as a straight man and understanding what I was going through, you know, he picked me up from the bus station, Greyhound bus station, downtown San Pablo.
Speaker A:Wait, in the bay on San Pablo?
Speaker B:Yeah, that's the bay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:This is where I came from Detroit, I came straight to Oakland.
Speaker A:Right there where the whole show is.
Speaker B:Oh, I was there.
Speaker A:Right there.
Speaker A:The Greyhound station.
Speaker B:I was right there.
Speaker A:He drove me up and down the street, up and down the street.
Speaker A:And he said, this could be you.
Speaker A:Oh, he said, this could be you.
Speaker A:He said, so if you smoke anything you drink anything, if I feel like you want to get fucked up off anything, I'm going to bring you right back down here with all your shit.
Speaker B:What got you on it though?
Speaker B:Like, what made you.
Speaker B:The moment you decided that you wanted to put it.
Speaker B:Was it peer pressure?
Speaker B:Was it your own personal things you were going through?
Speaker B:Did it have anything to do with your sexuality?
Speaker B:Did it have anything to do with you being judged or not being accepted because of your sexuality?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Is that what it was?
Speaker A:Yeah, those are great points.
Speaker A:You know, it's a combination, you know, it's like you making a gumball and everything that you said is put inside of that pot of that's the gumbo, you know.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, it did.
Speaker A:It was the
Speaker B:shout out to your mama.
Speaker B:Cause she for sure accept you.
Speaker B:Cause she right here with her.
Speaker B:And when I say that's her twin, I mean that's her twin.
Speaker B:So at least she had Mom.
Speaker B:I love her off top, I love Mom.
Speaker B:She's my mom now, so I gotta offer it.
Speaker B:Gotta offer her.
Speaker B:And she's 77.
Speaker B:The woman look 40.
Speaker B:She look my age.
Speaker B:I'm 43.
Speaker A:I don't mind Sharon, she's gorgeous.
Speaker B:So at least it seems like you had your mother to support you.
Speaker B:Cause she flew out here for this show.
Speaker A:No, she live out here.
Speaker B:Oh, moms live out here.
Speaker A:She in the bay.
Speaker B:So do you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You the only.
Speaker B:You the only one.
Speaker A:I love this.
Speaker A:And Mommy is together more than Mommy and I.
Speaker A:So when I do certain stuff like this, if I have to do an interview, then I make sure that I get Mom Dukes.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker A:You know, they call me Mom.
Speaker A:I try to share some sort of.
Speaker B:Just share mom.
Speaker A:Some sort of peace with my family.
Speaker A:I want them to be included.
Speaker A:Cause as you go through different levels in this life, you don't want to be alone.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:You know, and you don't want them to say, well, I wish I could have been there.
Speaker A:Now, there are some that's gonna look at this and they're gonna say that.
Speaker A:But I got my Niece with me.
Speaker A:And I got my mother.
Speaker A:Sometimes you can't bring everybody.
Speaker B:Ooh, we wish.
Speaker A:But it's okay.
Speaker B:You brought somebody.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the ones that love you.
Speaker B:And the ones that love you, though.
Speaker B:The ones that love you, though.
Speaker B:Now, I heard my moms told me to say this.
Speaker B:You got a movie coming out?
Speaker A:The movie is out.
Speaker B:Oh, wait, I don't know about it.
Speaker B:Mom just showed it to me.
Speaker B:Tell the people that camera.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Tell them what?
Speaker B:Tell em.
Speaker A:The movie is called Fighting to Be Me.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:The Dwayne Curry story is on BET and also Amazon Prime.
Speaker A:So Fighting to Be Me.
Speaker A:The Dwayne Curry story.
Speaker A:And then also American Gangster Trap Queens is out too.
Speaker A:Season 2, Episode 3 I was able to kick down doors and open up the doors for the other girls to come in because I was the first transgender on there.
Speaker A:And so now we have the black madam that's on there this season.
Speaker A:But I did season two, period.
Speaker A:And I did them with.
Speaker A:People always like to say CIS women.
Speaker A:I don't say CIS women.
Speaker B:What is the.
Speaker B:What's the CIS women?
Speaker A:It just means, why not just cis?
Speaker B:What's up with the wallet, extra.
Speaker A:All of this?
Speaker A:The CIS is spelled C I S. Okay.
Speaker B:And what that's for?
Speaker A:So that's for a pronoun that is given to the biological women.
Speaker A:And so I don't.
Speaker A:My.
Speaker A:My whole thing is, is that with certain trans women or not certain trans women?
Speaker A:There's a difference between trans women and biological women.
Speaker A:Because if you can't bleed or breathe, you're biological.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:So where in the fuck is the CIS coming from?
Speaker B:She said it like.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Ooh.
Speaker B:Speaking of, I think we was talking about your favorite DL whisperer, which I heard he in real big trouble.
Speaker B:For those of you who don't know
Speaker A:him, that ain't my favorite zl.
Speaker A:I mean, I heard of a blogger named zl.
Speaker B:He's got a lot going on right here.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think me and you actually did talk about one of his things that he said is that.
Speaker B:And you kind of just said it.
Speaker B:If you don't bleed or have a womb, you still are considered a man.
Speaker B:To me, I'm like this.
Speaker B:Whoever you want to be is who I accept you as.
Speaker B:I'm not finna be doing nothing extra.
Speaker A:And he don't do that just.
Speaker A:Cause I say that my girls and all of that, the bracket that we're in.
Speaker A:I'm just saying for me, myself, I have to come from a personal perspective, you know?
Speaker A:Whereas sitting here looking at you, that's a lot of work.
Speaker A:That's a lot of work.
Speaker A:And if you got kids.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker A:And you have to bear child.
Speaker A:Mm.
Speaker B:And bleed.
Speaker B:Like you said, it's a lot.
Speaker A:You don't want that job.
Speaker A:So I.
Speaker A:Before you get started.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:No, that is where I am with all that.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:I respect the process with him, you know, when it comes to dlc.
Speaker A:At first I thought it was a gimmick.
Speaker B:I did, too.
Speaker A:You know, And I did too.
Speaker A:I thought it was a good kiki.
Speaker A:But now it's carried on too far because one of his biggest fans, which was me.
Speaker A:I'm offended.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's offended me because I looked at him as like one of my babies, and it's just.
Speaker B:Well, what did he do to offend you, though?
Speaker A:The entitlement and the arrogance and just taking it too far and not knowing when Tow out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Dial out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, bow out gracefully.
Speaker A:You know, Because, I mean, he's so cute.
Speaker A:He adores chocolate face.
Speaker B:He's adorable.
Speaker A:Beautiful teeth.
Speaker B:He is everything.
Speaker B:He is.
Speaker B:But he is starting a lot of
Speaker A:controversies when you sit up there and you talk about.
Speaker A:Okay, whatever you got going on with T.S.
Speaker A:madison.
Speaker A:All right, okay, we get that now.
Speaker B:Just so you guys know, TSA Madison is the transgender diagram.
Speaker A:No, TS Madison is my girl, my bitch that I do fuck with.
Speaker A:You know, And I understand certain things could be controversial.
Speaker A:Where he crossed the line when you sat up there with them gang bangers and talk about all the gang bangers sit up there and fuck each other when they in jail.
Speaker A:That's some bullshit.
Speaker A:And that right there.
Speaker B:I thought it went a little far when he drove by her house and put it on the ground.
Speaker B:That was a lot.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That is too far.
Speaker B:Like, you don't.
Speaker A:To you.
Speaker A:You know, for you to sit up there in public display.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker B:That was a little much, I will say.
Speaker A:Was so accosted in such a way that, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was.
Speaker A:That was complete buffoonery.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:I will be honest.
Speaker A:And I didn't.
Speaker A:That's when I lost respect.
Speaker A:Respect.
Speaker A:I really, really did.
Speaker B:Me too.
Speaker B:Not too.
Speaker A:And I hate that he couldn't have been here, because I was expecting.
Speaker A:You know, I was expecting to be able to meet him and see him or whatever when it comes to my young nieces and nephews and everything, but the way he's on this rant about.
Speaker A:He don't like no trannies.
Speaker A:I don't even want to see him.
Speaker A:Cause I don't know if he going to try to jump me.
Speaker A:Only thing I'm gonna be able to do is have my beer spray out for your whole ass.
Speaker A:Cause I'm not doing no fight.
Speaker A:And please don't come to Oakland with the bullshit.
Speaker B:I think he was kind of nervous to come.
Speaker A:I mean, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker A:No, it's not.
Speaker B:Cause we had him book room paid folks.
Speaker A:He adorable.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But honestly, I feel like he created all this for himself because you ain't did nothing to nobody.
Speaker B:So why does he.
Speaker B:He threw everybody in one pot, like you said, that pot of gumbo.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He threw everybody in one pack.
Speaker A:One thing about it, you know, these kids are running around and they're sitting there and talking about how much, you know, money they've gotten, where they're living and things of that nature.
Speaker A:I mean, where I live is not even remotely close to where I was.
Speaker A:And so I am not stagnated, nor am I complacent.
Speaker A:I already know that there's levels to this shit, but please don't sit up there and count your egg, your chickens before your hatch.
Speaker A:Before they hatch.
Speaker A:Ooh.
Speaker B:And he's definitely doing that.
Speaker B:I actually.
Speaker B:I feel sorry for him.
Speaker B:I know, but this is my thing.
Speaker B:Cause people do a lot of things
Speaker A:just because she wanted.
Speaker B:But they do it for clout.
Speaker B:For what?
Speaker A:No, I don't think he really.
Speaker A:I do, but I don't know.
Speaker B:To get the viewers out.
Speaker A:I mean, he.
Speaker A:For me, I really, really like him.
Speaker A:And I'm just disappointed because the way he put everybody in such a cesspool of bullshit when he sat up there and did the genders.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker A:You know, he said something about only reason why transgenders are not gay boys is because they couldn't make it as gay boys or anything like that.
Speaker B:Wait, I didn't.
Speaker B:Titi.
Speaker B:I didn't understand.
Speaker B:That's just like.
Speaker A:That's a thug thing.
Speaker B:But I don't get it.
Speaker B:It say.
Speaker B:Cause like, what's the baby lady that he funking with?
Speaker B:What's her name?
Speaker A:T.S.
Speaker A:madison.
Speaker B:So, because the lady, the other lady asked her, she said, what men do you date?
Speaker B:And she said, I don't date gay men.
Speaker B:I didn't get that.
Speaker B:Because I guess.
Speaker B:Because I guess if you look.
Speaker B:So for me, I'm just gonna say, for me, a trans woman will date a man if he is a man.
Speaker B:Is he straight if he date a trans woman or is he gay?
Speaker B:I don't give a damn which one he is.
Speaker B:But I'm curious on your thought.
Speaker B:Process.
Speaker B:Because that's why they hated him for saying that.
Speaker B:But I wanna understand it.
Speaker B:I go with whatever you go with.
Speaker B:But I'm just curious.
Speaker B:Do you date straight or gay men?
Speaker B:That's a good question, right?
Speaker B:Like, I wanna know.
Speaker B:I wanna know.
Speaker A:I mean, it is.
Speaker A:It's good.
Speaker B:Cause I know you like them gangsters, too.
Speaker A:TT Look.
Speaker B:And from what I hear most.
Speaker B:Listen, I hear they like the dls.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Look at Percy laughing.
Speaker B:Percy's stupid, but they act out Percy.
Speaker B:But I hear they like the dls.
Speaker B:And I hear.
Speaker B:And you know what my friends say?
Speaker B:He said, I like the dls.
Speaker B:Cause I don't want to be bothered.
Speaker B:I want to hit it and quit it, basically.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:They don't want them relationships.
Speaker B:They just want to hit it, quit it and keep it moving.
Speaker B:But do you date straight or gay men?
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I need to understand that.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker A:I mean, when you look at it, or both, it's kind of.
Speaker A:I mean, well.
Speaker A:So let's break it down, please.
Speaker B:Because I got time for.
Speaker A:Because the shit is realty.
Speaker A:Because if you sit up there and you date a straight man, like I had this one guy, right?
Speaker A:I'm gonna tell you a story and make sure that you bring me back around.
Speaker A:Cause sometimes I could get lost.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:She's telling me the whole.
Speaker B:Scotty, no, for real.
Speaker B:Cause I'll let you get lost.
Speaker B:Cause it's so good to me.
Speaker B:So keep going.
Speaker B:What's the question, Titi?
Speaker A:I date.
Speaker A:No, I date.
Speaker B:Do you date straight or gay men?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I'm getting to that.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So it's this one guy, you know, I thought he was straight, okay?
Speaker A:Or whatever.
Speaker A:And maybe he is straight.
Speaker A:You know, he had a whole other relationship beside of me, unbeknownst to me.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Didn't know nothing about that.
Speaker A:Loved him to death.
Speaker A:He was so sweet.
Speaker A:Used to always give me flowers.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:When I tell you he was adorable.
Speaker A:And it's like, I could get the day after Christmas, but I can't get Christmas Day.
Speaker B:And he knew you were a trans woman?
Speaker A:No, at this time.
Speaker A:I was just a gay boy then.
Speaker B:So TT he gay as freak.
Speaker B:He gay, right?
Speaker B:He just.
Speaker B:DL
Speaker A:Bitch, you answer it.
Speaker A:I'm not even.
Speaker A:We walk him through this as we talk, right?
Speaker A:You know what?
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker A:You want your mind.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker A:Look, I mean, Terrell, what am I saying?
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker B:I know what she's saying.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:Terrell.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:She's T.D.L.
Speaker B:i mean, that's just what it is.
Speaker B:T.T.
Speaker B:you on fire.
Speaker B:Her phone rang about 72 times over here.
Speaker A:Girl, I'm so.
Speaker A:And that ain't nobody but Josiah.
Speaker B:She is her know it.
Speaker B:So basically, you date gay men, then?
Speaker A:Not really.
Speaker B:See, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:That's where it is confusion.
Speaker A:I mean, but you know what?
Speaker A:I don't even do any of that.
Speaker A:I like, you know, I like to allow them to pick out and choose who they are.
Speaker A:I don't think that you necessarily need to have a pronoun to describe who you are.
Speaker A:You know, like me, I say, oh, okay.
Speaker A:I'm transgender.
Speaker A:For me, to be specific, it's because of the hormone regimen, the estrogen.
Speaker B:Wait, TT do you got a wee wee or a tutu pop?
Speaker A:Girl, I still got Ms. Pierrot, okay?
Speaker A:She ain't going nowhere.
Speaker B:And you utilize it.
Speaker A:If I turn around, look, I'm asking them questions.
Speaker A:Children like to play in the playground, honey.
Speaker B:So I just had shout out to my manager, Sean.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker B:He's a gay man, but he's not trans, but he gay.
Speaker B:And he explained to me about what happens in the pen, about how the strong ones, they like to be bottoms.
Speaker B:And I'm like, well, wait a minute.
Speaker A:Power bottoms.
Speaker B:I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker B:See?
Speaker B:Cause, see, the people that aren't from the LGBTQ community, that's why I'm having my trans women on here.
Speaker B:I got my gay men.
Speaker B:People want to know.
Speaker B:It's a whole community.
Speaker B:Just like foster care.
Speaker B:It's a whole community.
Speaker B:So these are.
Speaker B:I should change the dang on episode to questions.
Speaker B:People want to know because I want to know.
Speaker B:Like, I want to know.
Speaker A:So I would say, you know what?
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't never do that.
Speaker A:Agree with.
Speaker A:Is the false narrative of all men that are in prison are gay.
Speaker A:And the gang bangers and things that.
Speaker A:That is incorrect.
Speaker B:He said that.
Speaker A:Let me explain something to you.
Speaker A:I had a celly.
Speaker A:I had a celly that I was with.
Speaker A:He was.
Speaker A:I have never seen this extreme amount of ocd.
Speaker A:And we were selling for years.
Speaker A:And he was little, you know, he couldn't have been no more than five, seven, something like that.
Speaker A:But his power that he had inside of the prison spoke volumes.
Speaker A:He would not let nobody cook for him.
Speaker A:He would not let nobody do his laundry.
Speaker A:If he dropped his sock on the floor, he would take it and throw it away.
Speaker A:Wait, so he.
Speaker A:That is how cold he was.
Speaker A:He don't want to.
Speaker B:Was he straight or gay?
Speaker A:Straight.
Speaker A:Got you Straight.
Speaker A:And we were sallies.
Speaker A:This was my boy.
Speaker A:Still is my brother to this day.
Speaker A:Me and his woman, his wife, are real close.
Speaker A:Robyn, you know, he would call her on the phone, we would talk on the phone.
Speaker A:And, girl, when I tell you this motherfucker, he done stole all the goddamn napkins out the goddamn kitchen.
Speaker A:Cause, bitch, if this was the microphone, bitch, it would be covered with napkins.
Speaker A:The whole fucking thing.
Speaker B:He tickled me teeth.
Speaker A:But I'm like.
Speaker A:N is.
Speaker A:I'm like, no, y' all, like, y' all not getting ready.
Speaker A:To me and that, man, everything that we had going on.
Speaker B:I don't give a dang.
Speaker A:Was platonic.
Speaker A:Everything that we had, platonic.
Speaker A:It wasn't nothing physical or nothing like that.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:It was emotionally and spiritual with him talking about his wife, where he was.
Speaker A:Cause he was Muslim.
Speaker A:He was Muslim.
Speaker A:I had a cousin, or I do have a cousin Supreme.
Speaker A:He was Muslim.
Speaker A:I understood that faith.
Speaker A:So for people to sit up there
Speaker B:and put that, like, all men are gay in jail.
Speaker A:That's some bullshit.
Speaker A:They can leave that the fuck alone.
Speaker B:Yeah, I didn't believe that.
Speaker A:I done met a few of them.
Speaker A:Everybody ain't in there just to suck dick.
Speaker A:Not unless that's what you want to do.
Speaker B:Now.
Speaker B:Let's talk about that.
Speaker B:Cause my homeboy Sean was on here saying that he was a sex worker and made more money than he did inside than he did outside.
Speaker B:Did you have those experiences?
Speaker B:Did you make a gang of money?
Speaker B:TT what's that?
Speaker B:What you do?
Speaker A:My first experience as a sex worker was outside of you.
Speaker A:No, not ever.
Speaker A:I never had to do that, period.
Speaker A:I mean, that was never my thing.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:When I went into San Quentin, when I turned around and I got locked up, I got sex trafficked.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker A:And that's where I got raped.
Speaker A:Because the guards and the lifers had a deal with each other.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:So they put me in a cell with a lifer.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:He was a lifer.
Speaker A:I only had 60 days to do.
Speaker A:They could have sent me to a camp.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:But they didn't.
Speaker B:So you got raped.
Speaker A:So all the girls that come through, they have an assessment of who it is that's coming through.
Speaker A:And so they end up being delegated.
Speaker A:So I was delegated into his cell.
Speaker B:So it's a whole systematic issue in jail when it comes to women.
Speaker A:If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense.
Speaker B:And he said, the guards be in on it.
Speaker A:I'M telling you, that's how I got in there.
Speaker A:I'm letting you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Old ass motherfucker.
Speaker A:The bitch had already been in there 20 years.
Speaker B:Was he black?
Speaker A:Yeah, he was black.
Speaker A:And I only had like 60 days.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Ooh.
Speaker A:40 more to go.
Speaker B:And they made you stay the whole 40 days.
Speaker A:And Tia, look.
Speaker A:Yes, they did.
Speaker A:How about this?
Speaker A:My tt, Jazzy, which was another queen that was in there.
Speaker A:Punjab Scott, she was in San Quentin.
Speaker A:She had already been in like 11 years.
Speaker A:So she had relationships with Crips, Bloods, and everybody all across everything she controlled all the heroin, all the coke, all the weed and all of that.
Speaker A:She came down the next day and got me.
Speaker A:She was trying to get me before everything occurred, but she couldn't get to me before the gates locked.
Speaker A:Because once the gates locked, then it was complete torture.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was torture.
Speaker A:But what am I getting through with a Nigga that's like 65 and weighing like 280 pounds?
Speaker B:Was he a DL or was he DL?
Speaker A:He didn't give a fuck about D. He didn't care nothing about no pronouns.
Speaker A:Bitch.
Speaker A:Only thing he was doing was being a fucking booty bandit.
Speaker B:Jesus.
Speaker B:It's a whole life in prison.
Speaker B:So don't go.
Speaker A:Yeah, and I could be so.
Speaker B:That part much more derogatory or like, put more out.
Speaker A:Explicit.
Speaker B:Explicit.
Speaker A:I could be a lot more explicit.
Speaker A:And this is a lot details.
Speaker A:But that's why you have to wait for the book.
Speaker B:Ooh.
Speaker B:And when that's coming.
Speaker B:Cause I need that SAP really soon.
Speaker A:It'll be an audio like this.
Speaker A:Ooh.
Speaker A:Because now you want to hear my voice.
Speaker B:I was just gonna say as I'm
Speaker A:saying it and as I'm telling it, I'm scared.
Speaker A:Well, shit.
Speaker A:How you think I felt?
Speaker B:That's why I'm scared.
Speaker A:You think I was scared?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, then buckle up for the ride.
Speaker B:Like, do they be like.
Speaker B:They don't be like, can they get away with murder in jail?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, oh, I've seen that.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:That is different level stuff, sis.
Speaker B:And that's why I feel like tt the world need to know about that.
Speaker B:Like, I just was actually walking to my other office over there, and it was.
Speaker A:A man in prison is not gay.
Speaker B:No, I get that.
Speaker B:I get that.
Speaker A:That's some.
Speaker A:And I don't like and.
Speaker A:And I don' them to do my brothers like that.
Speaker B:I didn't hear that.
Speaker B:TT Though.
Speaker B:I never heard that.
Speaker B:I never heard that.
Speaker B:But what I do hear is what I was going to say is most 90% of the officers are in on a lot of the movement in there.
Speaker A:Well, I just told you.
Speaker A:A officer sex traffick.
Speaker B:So that's what I was getting ready to say.
Speaker B:I think that's more of a true statement than everybody.
Speaker A:And I can't really speak on a whole lot of that because it's a case going on in regards to that because you know, it's no statues of limitation when it comes down to rape.
Speaker B:I didn't know that.
Speaker A:Oh, girl, please.
Speaker B:I didn't know that.
Speaker A:Oh, well, I don't know what the fuck they doing, but you not going to take all mine.
Speaker A:And you know.
Speaker A:Oh, he done got up.
Speaker A:What's.
Speaker B:Wait, wait.
Speaker B:Could she say that?
Speaker B:Because I told everybody when Percy get up, he say time is over.
Speaker B:Time is.
Speaker B:No he.
Speaker B:Because let me tell you how you do it.
Speaker B:He real smooth.
Speaker B:He'll walk over to the other side.
Speaker B:And he looked dead at me.
Speaker B:He just was.
Speaker B:I could tell you was changing your camera.
Speaker A:Some smoothness.
Speaker B:He moved to the side and he just looked.
Speaker B:And then he walked right back over there.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:But if I'm trying to rush her,
Speaker C:I'm going this way.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:It's a whole movement.
Speaker B:It's a movement.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:It's a whole.
Speaker A:Yeah, well.
Speaker B:Huh.
Speaker B:Oh, thank you.
Speaker B:And we keep all this on record because I want people to see the behind the scenes too.
Speaker B:I didn't took off the red bottom.
Speaker B:Make sure you keep on.
Speaker B:Yeah, I got tired.
Speaker B:I'm tired of being cute.
Speaker B:I can still be kids here with no shoes on.
Speaker B:Them toes, they hurt.
Speaker A:They hurt.
Speaker B:They hurting, child.
Speaker A:Them red bottoms.
Speaker A:Ain't nobody.
Speaker A:I don't even know why y' all
Speaker B:be doing money for the color on the bottom.
Speaker A:That's a mess.
Speaker B:And they still.
Speaker B:They still hurt.
Speaker B:But you get them stretched.
Speaker B:You get them stretched.
Speaker A:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:But anyway,
Speaker A:so your toes could be hanging over the top like a cliffhanger.
Speaker B:And it's still.
Speaker B:They still hurt.
Speaker B:It don't matter what you do with them shoes.
Speaker A:I can't stand no red bones.
Speaker B:I'm just sitting here like this jail stuff.
Speaker B:I think it so needs to be heard.
Speaker B:It needs to be talked about.
Speaker A:Like what I'm saying everything.
Speaker B:Cause people like me don't know.
Speaker B:I've been to jail a couple times.
Speaker B:I've been to the penny on the man's side, so.
Speaker B:And to me, I ain't gonna lie, if you are a trans woman, I don't think you should be on the man's side.
Speaker A:Oh, no, I wouldn't go to no women's side.
Speaker A:I don't want to be with y' all bitch.
Speaker A:I mean, shit, if I'm bitch who I am bitch, at least I might be able to get me some dick.
Speaker A:No, I don't want to sit up there with a whole bunch of bleeding bitches.
Speaker B:See, that's trying to fight for the people.
Speaker B:And it's like.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:No, I'm like.
Speaker B:But it's better than being raped, though, or.
Speaker A:No, that.
Speaker A:That right there was a more than.
Speaker A:Like, it was disgusting that it did happen.
Speaker A:But at the end of the day,
Speaker B:you'd rather be over there.
Speaker A:I'd rather be with the.
Speaker A:Because real niggas, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker B:I'd rather be.
Speaker B:I'd rather be over there, too, if that's the.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm not sitting up there.
Speaker B:I don't know what a gang of bras neither.
Speaker A:Bleeding a bunch of whining ass bitches.
Speaker B:Yes, me neither.
Speaker B:Fighting in that church.
Speaker A:And they mad that they man didn't come.
Speaker B:You ain't lying or whatever or.
Speaker A:Nah.
Speaker B:Did you have support while you was in there?
Speaker B:Like, people was putting money in your books and all that?
Speaker A:All day when I left, you was good.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:I was good.
Speaker A:Tishan said, you know, my family was good in everything, you know.
Speaker B:Well, that's a blessing.
Speaker A:Things were divided amicably, the way they needed to be, and I was definitely taken care of.
Speaker B:That's nice.
Speaker A:I didn't have a problem.
Speaker B:So you lucky then, Titi.
Speaker B:You lucky.
Speaker A:I mean, and then, plus, once you get in there, if you.
Speaker A:I mean, however I am on the street is how I'm gonna be when I go in.
Speaker A:So real niggas recognize real bitches.
Speaker A:So I was completely taken care of.
Speaker B:So did you knock some outside?
Speaker B:Like, would you like, you know, like Lollipop?
Speaker B:I watched her thing, and she was like.
Speaker B:She was blessed enough to knock one while in there and took care of her.
Speaker B:Did you go through that, too?
Speaker B:Where y' all find them?
Speaker B:I need to get on that same website.
Speaker B:It sound like.
Speaker A:I mean, it was a couple of guys that I had dealt with when I was in there.
Speaker A:And, you know, the thing is, it's just so difficult, you know, because first of all, you realize that it's temporary.
Speaker A:That's facts, you know, it's basically while you're in the moment, it's like a fairy tale that you're living where it's just us, too.
Speaker A:And it's gonna be okay.
Speaker A:But at the end of the day, you know, you see the phone calls, you see.
Speaker A:You know, the time diminishing and things of that nature, and you come to the realization he's not getting ready to be there for me.
Speaker B:You went through that when you got out.
Speaker B:Like, the same dudes, they wouldn't.
Speaker B:And it's the same with women.
Speaker A:But I tried to prepare myself as much as I could.
Speaker A:Cause he kept saying, we gonna be together.
Speaker A:We gonna be together.
Speaker A:We gonna be together.
Speaker A:And I was like.
Speaker A:It wasn't real.
Speaker B:Well, why did he stay?
Speaker B:Why do you think he stay if he's sending you money?
Speaker A:What you mean?
Speaker A:Why he say?
Speaker B:I mean, but if he's sending you money and then pretend the whole time and then get out and don't do right by you, what's the purpose?
Speaker A:Cause I'm comfortable.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Ooh.
Speaker A:I'm comfort.
Speaker B:I'm comfortable right now.
Speaker A:And you have to remember at the same time.
Speaker A:At the same time when n do certain shit like that.
Speaker A:It's called this.
Speaker A:So he was a DL it's hush money.
Speaker A:So you get the hush money.
Speaker A:Ooh.
Speaker A:Ooh.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:I'm excited to ask you this.
Speaker B:Do you feel like you was born to be a trans woman?
Speaker B:I asked Shawn that, and he said, absolutely not.
Speaker B:You're not born gay.
Speaker B:Do you think?
Speaker A:Who said that?
Speaker A:Oh, Shawn, they need to shut the fuck up.
Speaker B:You are.
Speaker A:Girl, please.
Speaker A:Ever since I've been.
Speaker A:Ask my mother.
Speaker A:She'll tell you.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker A:Ever since, like, in kindergarten, I've always known.
Speaker A:Ooh.
Speaker A:I don't know what type of magic trick they think people have or anything like that to make you this way, but when you look at it, would you ever want to ask for the life that I'm living right now?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:It's 100%.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:All the odds are against me.
Speaker A:Do you know how much shit I've had to fight against?
Speaker A:And I'm a bad for being who I am.
Speaker A:And I could stand amongst the greats.
Speaker B:Yeah, you already do.
Speaker A:I could move in any room that I need to move in.
Speaker B:I'm coming with her in Los Angeles next week.
Speaker B:I'm moving with her, too.
Speaker B:What do you mean?
Speaker B:Now, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker B:I take my hat off to you.
Speaker B:So that's good to know.
Speaker B:Because he thinks different.
Speaker B:He says he wasn't born that way.
Speaker B:You know what he says?
Speaker A:Who says that?
Speaker B:Mr. Sean, my new manager.
Speaker B:He said he was paid to be gay.
Speaker B:That's what he said.
Speaker A:He sounded like a clown.
Speaker B:10 years old.
Speaker A:That's your manager.
Speaker B:And he was 10 years old, he said that he didn't know he would have the thoughts and stuff like that.
Speaker B:And he's not super, like, flamboyant, but he's.
Speaker A:What does he mean, he was paid?
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:He was basically molested.
Speaker B:Like, when he was a minor, somebody approached him with it.
Speaker B:A man.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker B:Am I lying, Percy?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:That's what Sean said.
Speaker B:He said that a man approached him in 10th grade, and that's when he realized he approached him with some money.
Speaker B:10th grade.
Speaker A:10th grade, you already know what the fuck you doing on some real shit.
Speaker A:And what I will tell you, and this is what I feel so good about, is the fact that my mother was the only girl out of four brothers.
Speaker A:So it's five of them.
Speaker A:Mommy was definitely outside in the streets.
Speaker A:She young.
Speaker A:We grew up together.
Speaker A:My mother was 18 when she had me.
Speaker A:And I have four uncles that watched me and took turns with me.
Speaker A:Not one of them touched me.
Speaker A:So you tell me where the gayness comes from.
Speaker B:Yeah, he went molested.
Speaker A:Cause I was never molested.
Speaker B:That's what he said.
Speaker A:I just remember liking boys, especially my one little friend when I was in kindergarten.
Speaker A:Bitch.
Speaker A:I said, oh, he is too cute to me.
Speaker B:Did you come out to Moms?
Speaker B:Like, how did that process work?
Speaker A:It was hilarious.
Speaker A:When you look at Trap Queen, you know, I was like sitting up there preparing and everything.
Speaker A:And, you know, I was like, mommy.
Speaker B:I mean, she already knew.
Speaker A:You said it in the movie.
Speaker A:That's what she said.
Speaker A:She was like, well, what the fuck?
Speaker A:Okay, how old?
Speaker B:When did you know Mom?
Speaker B:When she was a baby.
Speaker B:She just said that.
Speaker B:She said she knew when she was in kindergarten.
Speaker B:But the fact that.
Speaker B:How did you know?
Speaker B:Talk Moms.
Speaker B:You can say it here.
Speaker A:You want to come over here?
Speaker B:Mommy, don't touch the mic.
Speaker B:TT you know, the dang on thing.
Speaker B:A move.
Speaker C:Even at 4, when he went outside and came back in, he had all the little wrestling men and all his friends would come over because he had all the little wrestling.
Speaker C:And every day the kids come over.
Speaker C:Everybody got a lot of friends.
Speaker C:But then I didn't know they was
Speaker A:some tea, you know, suspect.
Speaker C:But I knew this one.
Speaker B:He didn't like to get clean, dirty, Pritzy Bougie at 4 years old.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Well, I love you, mom, for that.
Speaker C:I was liking Harry Belafonte.
Speaker B:What's that?
Speaker B:TT what's this?
Speaker A:Harry Bella.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Who is that?
Speaker A:He's a legend.
Speaker B:I don't know him.
Speaker A:His daughter's name is I think she's on Tyler Perry's Sisters, isn't she?
Speaker B:Oh, Sisters.
Speaker B:I love that show.
Speaker A:Remember the Karen's mother.
Speaker A:Okay, so that's Harry Belafonte's daughter.
Speaker A:I forget her name.
Speaker B:I know he talking about.
Speaker B:I watch Sisters.
Speaker B:I love all four of them.
Speaker B:I love them.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker C:He always had him a nice little shirt on and some nice tent.
Speaker C:I had got.
Speaker C:I had got to win a Harry Belafonte shirt with the collar and the no buttons and the blue sign sleeve.
Speaker C:You know, some Knickerbockers.
Speaker B:Knickerbockers.
Speaker A:Love my mom.
Speaker B:Say it.
Speaker C:Riding boots.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker A:And never.
Speaker A:This was in the 70s with a.
Speaker A:With a pair of 150 riding boots.
Speaker B:She said she didn't grow up.
Speaker A:And I still got mine, period.
Speaker A:Not them.
Speaker B:Now I know to me, that was knocking them in the fourth grade or four years years old.
Speaker B:So you're definitely different and special.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Because she had the little soldier men's coming with.
Speaker B:I am not gonna play with you.
Speaker B:TT well, listen.
Speaker A:Yeah, but I love you.
Speaker B:And see, that's what I.
Speaker B:That's what I realized.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:But I guess, you know, that's his truth.
Speaker B:Everybody in the community is.
Speaker B:They have different stories.
Speaker B:And that's good.
Speaker B:That's why I wanted you on the platform to tell your stories.
Speaker B:How you became a trap queen.
Speaker B:You know, most importantly, a recovering addict and now successful woman.
Speaker B:That's moving all these rooms, honey.
Speaker B:On the red carpet.
Speaker B:Making it to bet.
Speaker B:Making the movie.
Speaker B:Making the book.
Speaker B:I need my book sign.
Speaker B:Duh.
Speaker A:Duh.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I need my book.
Speaker A:I definitely do it.
Speaker A:But when it comes down to I need it, you know, being a trap queen, I think.
Speaker A:Or not that I think I know it has a lot to do with your genes and where you come from and who you look up to.
Speaker A:And I always looked up to my mother.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:Spitting in, you know, So I was able to encompass a lot of what I saw, what was going on with her, unbeknownst to her that she was aware that I was seeing certain things and behavior and things of that nature.
Speaker A:It was never anything disrespectful or anything like that.
Speaker A:But, you know, I think one of the most favorable things for me is that I never saw her fall to the wayside or be disrespected.
Speaker A:And she always made sure that I was top tier priority.
Speaker A:And then she was privileged.
Speaker A:Remember, she was the only girl.
Speaker A:She had four brothers and she had both her parents and she had a child so she could drop me the fuck off whenever she wanted to.
Speaker A:And I'd be glad I'd be gone, you know, I enjoyed the time we spent together and things of that nature and all that.
Speaker A:But I didn't have a bad childhood and I was not raped or molested.
Speaker A:Or molested.
Speaker B:So that means you did know you was gay at a young age.
Speaker A:Girl, I been though, period.
Speaker B:I'm glad to hear that, boy.
Speaker A:In kindergarten, we used to dry hump with our clothes on, girl, when it was nap time, bitch.
Speaker A:And he liked it.
Speaker A:And wait, he my best friend to this day.
Speaker A:And he's straight, so we sitting up, you know, we laugh about it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I dry humped girls, too.
Speaker B:When I was about in the fourth, fifth grade.
Speaker B:We used to play house.
Speaker A:Children just explored.
Speaker B:Mom's laughing.
Speaker B:I was the daddy when we played house.
Speaker B:I ain't lying.
Speaker B:I was the dad and the little white girl was the mama.
Speaker B:And we used to dry hump and all that.
Speaker B:I mean, I ain't gay, but I had my experiences.
Speaker B:But I think everybody did.
Speaker A:I mean, when you're a child, children explore the way to explore and things of that nature.
Speaker A:And you don't look at it as a freakish.
Speaker A:They're trying to figure out, you know, what it is, what direction and things of that nature.
Speaker A:So, you know.
Speaker A:But I've always known.
Speaker A:I've always liked boys, you know, I didn't even like to do it with girls.
Speaker B:Wait, wait, wait.
Speaker B:TT you ever been with a woman?
Speaker A:I have.
Speaker B:So you have a J.J. you put
Speaker A:the thing in the vajayja before Miss Pearly?
Speaker B:Miss Pearly?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Miss Pearly has some.
Speaker B:Did you.
Speaker B:So you didn't like it?
Speaker B:It do stank sometimes, you know, some of the women stink.
Speaker B:They be stinking.
Speaker A:No, it didn't stink.
Speaker A:It was just.
Speaker A:I don't think I had hurried up and washed off.
Speaker A:And so it was a whole bunch of white stuff over Miss Pearly.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker A:So Ms. Pearly didn't understand what it was, and I didn't know.
Speaker B:Did y' all have these kinds of
Speaker A:conversations that the girl had climaxed all over Ms. Pearly?
Speaker A:And so it.
Speaker A:I hadn't washed it off, so it was scaly and everything.
Speaker A:Because all of the secretions.
Speaker A:Yeah, the secretions.
Speaker A:And so I said, oh, no, ma',
Speaker B:am, this ain't for me.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:So Ms. Pearly got.
Speaker B:Ms. Pearly got.
Speaker A:Cause that's probably like.
Speaker A:I guess that's probably like if a dude sit up there and turn around and do it, you know, anally.
Speaker A:Then.
Speaker A:And they come out and it don't go in.
Speaker A:It don't come out the way it went in.
Speaker A:And it might be a little bit dirty.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:Children be a little traumatized.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, needless to say, I was traumatized.
Speaker A:So I don't like it.
Speaker B:Well, if you got the secretions on it, you might.
Speaker B:Ms. Pearly might have been good with it.
Speaker A:No, she might have had a baby.
Speaker A:Look, and that'll never happen cuz I got two younger siblings.
Speaker A:I have Magnificent and Cleopatra.
Speaker B:I remember their names.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker A:I love suffer from ptsd, having to watch them when they were younger.
Speaker B:Y' all just see her face.
Speaker B:She's so cute.
Speaker B:She's hired with bwit.
Speaker B:We've already recruited her.
Speaker B:So she will be my makeup artist and my hair stylist and everything.
Speaker B:Everything.
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:She didn't came and helped me grease my feet and fix my clothes and curl my hair at the same time.
Speaker B:We got mini Baby D over here.
Speaker B:I got skills.
Speaker A:Y' all is a mess.
Speaker B:Listen, we all hitting the town.
Speaker B:What is it?
Speaker B:Tomorrow?
Speaker A:Yeah, tomorrow we gonna catch.
Speaker B:I'm tapping in Super Bowl.
Speaker A:I'm flying out to lady Natalie to do.
Speaker B:Yeah, talk to her.
Speaker B:Well, hopefully when we see her tomorrow, we gonna see her.
Speaker B:But so you know, they say Natalie a tough one.
Speaker B:And she expensive.
Speaker A:She is nice.
Speaker A:She is expensive.
Speaker A:I mean, I would be too, if
Speaker B:I was a CEO.
Speaker B:Quit playing.
Speaker B:But we town business Natalie.
Speaker B:So she needs to come and support our sister.
Speaker A:She loves him.
Speaker B:We gonna see her tomorrow.
Speaker B:So I'm excited.
Speaker B:She bringing.
Speaker B:They say she bringing 11 baddies, so I'm excited to meet them.
Speaker B:From Africa.
Speaker A:Summer.
Speaker B:I love Summer.
Speaker B:The bummer too.
Speaker B:Me too.
Speaker B:Who you don't like?
Speaker A:I can't even look.
Speaker A:I don't even want to do it because it'll be.
Speaker A:I don't even want to be.
Speaker A:I like them all on nobody.
Speaker B:Dolly Doobie.
Speaker B:I love you, Dolly, but Dolly strikes me sometimes.
Speaker A:Sometime.
Speaker B:But I love me some Dolly.
Speaker B:You know I had DTB on here.
Speaker A:I will remove.
Speaker A:Remove myself from this conversation.
Speaker B:What happened?
Speaker B:We gonna see him tomorrow?
Speaker A:Ain't nothing.
Speaker A:Okay, I see him, but I'm not gonna talk about them.
Speaker B:I love him.
Speaker A:I love Natalie.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker A:That's the word.
Speaker B:Who's my favorite person in the world?
Speaker B:I talk about her all the time.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:I'm obsessed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Cause he be.
Speaker B:He be irritated.
Speaker B:Cause that's all I talk about.
Speaker B:I'm like, I need Natalie on the chart.
Speaker B:I need Natalie.
Speaker B:Cause you know what?
Speaker B:I think people A lot of people dislike her because of the little interview she did when she was saying, you know, and how she make the baddies fight and all this.
Speaker B:That ain't got nothing to do with her.
Speaker B:She ain't making them decisions.
Speaker B:That ain't her.
Speaker B:Nellie is the CEO.
Speaker B:She getting the bag and she changing these girls lives regardless if they fighting, who cares?
Speaker B:These girls have.
Speaker A:This is respect factor for me too.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:It's a respect factor.
Speaker A:I get where she's coming from.
Speaker A:You know, I would imagine in the beginning she was Jews about everything, you know, I mean, she's like done this to where it is so global, literally international.
Speaker A:Certain disrespect that's coming at her from certain girls is preposterous.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:You know, it's like, it's no respect, you know, so you damn near look like, well, what the fuck am I doing this for?
Speaker A:You know, my little sister Cleopatra used to do Natalie nails.
Speaker A:And she's.
Speaker A:My little sister is never Cleopatra.
Speaker A:She's never said nothing bad about Natalie.
Speaker A:Whenever I see Natalie, I saw her at Crustaceans probably about a couple of months ago and we embraced and, you know, chatted for a minute and that was it.
Speaker A:But when you have.
Speaker A:You sit up there and you give someone so much that has had nothing,
Speaker B:that's exactly what you do.
Speaker A:It's like Ice Cube and them say, is this the respect I get?
Speaker A:I started this gangster period.
Speaker B:CEO.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm just saying I respect.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Hashtag bad alert.
Speaker A:I don't give a about personal.
Speaker A:I mean, I love all the girls.
Speaker A:I love dtb.
Speaker A:I love.
Speaker A:I love Scotty.
Speaker A:I love all of that.
Speaker A:I love them all.
Speaker A:I mean, but when it comes to some baddies, I love rolling.
Speaker A:Rolly.
Speaker B:I love rolling.
Speaker B:Natalie said that's the highest paid.
Speaker B:I did not.
Speaker A:I love me some.
Speaker B:I love me some Tommy too, because she is a nook.
Speaker B:I love.
Speaker A:I'll put a tickle.
Speaker B:Even summer.
Speaker B:I love them all.
Speaker A:I. I'll put a tickle lock on that.
Speaker B:I know, I know.
Speaker B:I love them all, but hopefully I need all y' all to line up and come to my show.
Speaker A:Not this one, this one.
Speaker B:Oh, she clocking that.
Speaker B:That's a lot of clocking.
Speaker A:No, this is clocking it.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:It's done.
Speaker B:What that means stop.
Speaker B:Got it?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Dang.
Speaker A:You can stick a fork in it.
Speaker A:It's done.
Speaker B:Cookie is done.
Speaker B:It's cooked.
Speaker B:Got it.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker B:Is it burnt or is it.
Speaker B:We need to throw it away.
Speaker A:Nothing Bad to say about Tommy.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker B:I just love her.
Speaker B:Cuz she crazy and don't give a dang.
Speaker B:She don't care.
Speaker B:But my.
Speaker B:Listen, at the end of the day, my favorite.
Speaker A:I feel like Tommy is a beautiful girl.
Speaker B:She's the founder of everything.
Speaker A:I feel like Tommy is a beautiful girl and
Speaker B:that's it.
Speaker A:She just needs to find her balance.
Speaker A:And I think that's what she's trying to do is find her balance.
Speaker A:You know, I've met her and everything.
Speaker A:Sweet.
Speaker A:I mean, when I tell you, when you look at this girl, this girl is gorgeous.
Speaker B:She's super pretty.
Speaker B:Tommy is very pretty.
Speaker B:Body banging, super pretty.
Speaker B:She a little thug.
Speaker B:I love her.
Speaker A:Some of her little antics, you know, I don't really like it, you know.
Speaker A:And that's just me, you know, I feel as though I don't know certain females that I'm around, then they need to excuse me.
Speaker A:They should act appropriately, you know.
Speaker B:Do you think it's for tv?
Speaker B:I think a lot of that stuff
Speaker A:is just TV to run the numbers
Speaker B:of, which is genius.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:It's genius.
Speaker A:I think what happens is money.
Speaker A:She ends up being antagonized from some of the girls to where it's.
Speaker A:To the point she just can't hold back anymore.
Speaker A:And it's not about the tv, but she forget that she on tv.
Speaker B:I think that's why I love her.
Speaker A:I don't like that if she come
Speaker B:with a purse, we just.
Speaker B:If she got a little teddy bear under her armpit or a little purse, we know Tommy coming with them.
Speaker B:But enough about them baddies.
Speaker B:This is the Dr. Stan show.
Speaker B:Look, the rollies popping off on that.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker B:I do too.
Speaker B:We gonna see them tomorrow.
Speaker B:We gonna see them.
Speaker B:We lit, we pulling.
Speaker B:We gonna have our own section next to them.
Speaker B:We baddies too.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker B:What's your definition of a baddie?
Speaker A:My definition of a baddie is.
Speaker B:Cause they say Natalie stumbled on that.
Speaker B:I don't think she did.
Speaker B:She goes straight to the point.
Speaker B:An independent woman.
Speaker B:That might not have been her words, but that's just.
Speaker B:It's independent overall.
Speaker B:Getting a bag, being able to, you know, live your own life doing what you're supposed to do.
Speaker B:Respect yourself.
Speaker B:I took it as that.
Speaker B:But they beat that girl up over that.
Speaker B:And to me, I didn't understand why.
Speaker A:No, with your definition, a baddie, that's not anything that you set up there and you ramble off, like right off top, you know.
Speaker A:When I look at the cloth that I'm cut from, which Is my mother
Speaker B:sitting pretty over there?
Speaker A:That's a badass right there.
Speaker A:That's a badass.
Speaker A:So when.
Speaker A:Because everything.
Speaker A:How you see me, the poise and how I speak, it comes from her, you know?
Speaker A:So if you want to get to know me, then you have to get to know her.
Speaker A:Because that's where the story starts.
Speaker A:From the womb to the tomb.
Speaker A:Like they say, you know, poise, grace, knowing how to eat.
Speaker A:A lot of these bitches don't even know how to cut a steak or clean their house.
Speaker A:They don't even know how to set a table.
Speaker A:They don't even know where the wine glass and the water glass go.
Speaker A:They don't even know where the dessert fork and the dessert spoon goes.
Speaker A:They don't even know where the coffee cup goes.
Speaker A:They don't know where the goblet goes.
Speaker A:They don't.
Speaker B:Wait, what's that one?
Speaker A:The goblet is the water glass.
Speaker B:Okay, See, listen.
Speaker B:I don't know neither.
Speaker B:I guess I better step my game.
Speaker B:Mom, I need a session with you over there.
Speaker B:Sitting pretty.
Speaker A:It goes over the.
Speaker B:Please teach.
Speaker B:I need a charm class.
Speaker B:Old school.
Speaker B:Monique used to teach a charm class.
Speaker B:Remember that?
Speaker B:I need all that I'm reckless.
Speaker A:It's a bad bitch.
Speaker A:A baddie is a bitch that knows they place.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker A:And you know, yeah, you could get money, but it's like you need to know how to speak and be very efficient and very fluid when you do speak.
Speaker A:A baddie is a bitch.
Speaker A:Can adapt in any of your walks of life.
Speaker B:Facts.
Speaker A:I don't care if you in Compton.
Speaker A:I don't care if you in Beverly Hills.
Speaker A:I don't care if you in Dubai.
Speaker A:I don't care if you in Jamaica.
Speaker A:But can you adapt?
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker A:Without being got to the toe, I
Speaker B:cannot get to the big toe that the pink big toe down there.
Speaker B:I like it.
Speaker A:You know, it's smart.
Speaker B:That's facts.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:A baddie definitely knows how to get their money.
Speaker A:A baddie definitely knows how to read.
Speaker A:A baddie is someone that will school you and bring you along the way and build you up and not break you down in the process.
Speaker A:That's a bad bitch to me.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker B:I definitely agree.
Speaker A:You know, when you are a baddie, you cultivate anybody that you are around.
Speaker A:That's a bad bitch when they look up to you.
Speaker B:I like that.
Speaker B:I like that.
Speaker B:And I got these little like you.
Speaker A:You a baddie.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:I was just gonna cross my leg and say, thank you so much, sister.
Speaker B:I wore white just for you.
Speaker B:Because you're an angel, like I said.
Speaker A:Said.
Speaker B:And I wouldn't have realistic.
Speaker B:Because I love you.
Speaker B:Cause y' all know Lisa Ray staying.
Speaker B:I need her on the show next.
Speaker B:We hopefully see ourselves.
Speaker B:Okay, but, Titi, I'm tired.
Speaker B:This has been one of my favorite episodes, my favorite guest.
Speaker B:Y' all gotta get like me, but you can't look under your seat.
Speaker B:Lady, could you look under your seat and grab what's under your seat, please?
Speaker B:Oh, I know you seem pretty, but dang.
Speaker B:TT what's up?
Speaker A:The tea.
Speaker B:What's the te?
Speaker B:Is you cool what they say?
Speaker A:I didn't even know, girl.
Speaker A:I thought y' all was doing something.
Speaker B:Look, what's the te?
Speaker B:You know, I had to bless you.
Speaker B:I had to bless you.
Speaker B:Move that stupid mic hopefully slowly.
Speaker B:Look, we.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We rigged up over here, y', all, but we.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Well, you still can hear it, Percy.
Speaker B:You still can hear it talk, TT So they know why.
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker B:You still good.
Speaker A:Oh, what's that?
Speaker B:So, yes.
Speaker B:I want you to stay warm at night, T.T.
Speaker A:oh, girl,
Speaker B:that's cute.
Speaker B:Listen, you and the team, you may get one next.
Speaker B:Next month.
Speaker B:When you come.
Speaker B:You come next month.
Speaker B:Save the greatness.
Speaker A:Oh, look at.
Speaker B:She is so amazing.
Speaker B:Thank.
Speaker B:Thank y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:I'm like.
Speaker B:Thank y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Look at.
Speaker A:I don't want to unfold it.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:You are messing it up.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:Is that your size?
Speaker B:It should be your size.
Speaker A:Girl, I ain't that big.
Speaker B:You ain't that small, TT that's what I'm saying.
Speaker A:Like a mini skirt, baby.
Speaker B:I love her.
Speaker B:Do you ain't cut the camera because we need all this person.
Speaker B:Lord have mercy.
Speaker B:We going viral.
Speaker B:Fooling with friends.
Speaker B:Ain't it cute?
Speaker A:This is cute.
Speaker A:Now I gotta put it back in there.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:I know you ain't gonna cry.
Speaker B:I ain't got time.
Speaker B:Please, please.
Speaker B:Look at this one.
Speaker B:Finna cry.
Speaker A:Oh, we get cry all the time.
Speaker B:Percy looking.
Speaker A:She's so funny.
Speaker B:She's so cute.
Speaker B:They had a couple shots of Hennessy, now they own one.
Speaker B:But listen, we thank you, TT I'm gonna be with TT up in LA next week, so it don't even matter.
Speaker B:We didn't.
Speaker B:We didn't.
Speaker B:Cultivated our own crew.
Speaker B:Okay, baddies, look, we starting our own baddies.
Speaker B:Shot o'.
Speaker B:Clock.
Speaker B:We already had our shots o', clock, so we're cool over here.
Speaker B:But listen, thank y' all for tapping in with Dr. Stan's number episode.
Speaker B:I think we on episode number 30.
Speaker B:So you the lucky 3.
Speaker B:0.
Speaker B:I think we own 30 30, but we out, y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:We love you all.
Speaker B:And she got the book
Speaker A:to see all.
Speaker A:The.
